I was taking 4000-6000 IUs per day, without vitamin K2, and had a recent level of 45, so I bumped that to 5000-10,000 and added the K. I live in the Pacific NW where we have short days and not great sun for half the year. I would definitely decrease that in the summer and have been telling my patients to take 5000 IUs with 100 mcgs vitamin K2
"Loading" dose of D3 - use of vitamin K-2 MK-7 with increased D3 supplementation - Nattokinase
From the study link provided by Joel Hirschhorn, please note: "Furthermore, in the state of New Jersey where this study was conducted, 28% of adults over the age of 20 are obese [28], and obese individuals require 2–3 times the normal dose of vitamin D supplementation for vitamin D deficiency [29]. " (my note: these "2–3 times the normal dose of vitamin D supplementation" may only be needed during the "fat loading" (until the Vitamin D3 fat receptors are filled up which then allow for greater blood levels) stage for "obese" people.)
from the Dr Syed Haider site at https://drsyedhaider.com/covid-care-beyond-ivm-and-hcq/ March 1, 2021. note the use of a 1 time "100,000 IU of vitamin D3 dose to speed up increase of D3 blood levels. (my note: to load up the D3 fat storage depots so daily doses are able to raise D3 level blood levels)
"VITAMIN D (from Dr Haider's site)
Vitamin D, AKA the sunlight hormone, has long been known to boost immunity to viral infections, however much controversy has swirled around vitamin D and COVID-19.
Various studies showed remarkable effects when vitamin D was given early on to patients.
Other studies, seemingly designed to fail (reminds one of the HCQ controversy), used vitamin D far too late for it to be beneficial, especially considering it can take up to 2 weeks to become activated by the body when administered in its inactive form as has been the rule in all vitamin D studies thus far.
In my own practice everyone who comes with severe COVID-19 and is tested for vitamin D turns out to be low. And of those who come with mild disease, most have been on vitamin D for months.
Since it takes so long for vitamin D to be fully activated and available to your body, the time to top up your vitamin D levels is before you get sick and if you have not been taking at least 3000 IUs of vitamin D3 for a couple months you should either get tested and supplement accordingly or immediately take 100,000 IU of vitamin D3 and then start on at least 3000 – 5000 IU per day.
Such a high one time dose is not dangerous, even if you already have normal vitamin D levels and will help ensure that you reach vitamin D sufficiency within 2 weeks.
For patients who are already sick, do not know their vitamin D levels and have not been supplementing for long enough to be sure they are at a normal level an experimental prescription option is the synthetic activated vitamin D analog called calcitriol.
For hospitalized patients this can be given IV, but even when taken orally it is well absorbed and reaches peak blood levels within a few hours. There is one in vitro study showing significant activity against COVID-19, but no one has yet studied it in patients.
and from the comments and question area below
Dr Syed Haider
1 year ago
Reply to What is the appropriate amount of vitamin D in the
Generally speaking levels between 50 – 80 ng/ml are probably ideal. Within that range you can narrow it down further by checking a parathyroid hormone (PTH) level. If the d level is in the normal range, but the PTH level is above 30, it indicates the D level is likely still too low and should be raised. On the other hand if the D level appears borderline low and the PTH is below 30, the D level is probably sufficient.
my note: some science advises to add vitamin K2 MK-7 to help direct the calcium affected by higher D3 levels into the bones vs into the soft tissues ie the lining of the blood vessels. 100 mcg per about 5,000 iu D3 up to 200 mcg of K2 with 10,000 units D3, but not more than 200 mcg K2 per day if, for instance, taking higher doses or large D3 loading dose - do not increase the K2 even more for those doses. ( note: Dr John Campbell (youtube) takes 4,000 units D3 and 100 mcg K2 daily) but read up on K2 and clots in this covid clots and "clot shot" times
Is eating a bit (10 grams?) of natto, somehow. daily , a natural source for K2 and Nattokinase the best way? (Is Nattokinase a must have? for these fibrin times?) from https://www.swansonvitamins.com/blog/articles/will-nattokinase-and-k2-work-against-each-other-if-taken-together.html "One of the major reasons people take Vitamin K-2 for cardiovascular support is because it supports the formation of Osteocalcin, a protein carrier which helps to transfer calcium into the bone. Nattokinase helps breaks down fibrin, which is the webby structure that forms the basis of clots to help support circulation."
Without supplementation, in the summer when I am outside all day gardening, my level is never above 30 so I take 5000 units a day. I also had hepatitis C for nearly 50 years - any veteran from the 60’s 70’s should be tested. It was a vaccine injury due to carelessness with the vaccine guns.
Anyone who buys into the mumbo jumbo of the virus and the synthetic mRNA vaccines only have themselves to blame: Millions saved from viruses and bacteria - are you one of those? 30 years never had a virus or bacteria infection = never ill: Mix one heaped teaspoon of salt in a mug of clean warm water - cup a hand and in stages, sniff or snort the mugful up your nose spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If burning sensation, you have a virus and the salt solution is disinfecting it, so wait 2-3 minutes until burning sensation goes away, then blow out your nose on toilet paper and flush away, washing your hands afterwards. Do my free salt water cure morning, noon, night or more often if you want, until it feels like you are flushing with water only - job done. 3 minutes idea to job done - simple. No virus, no Covid or Long Covid in your head possible. You cannot catch Covid, you have to catch a Coronavirus first and let it become Covid in the nasal passages of your head, later transported down into your body in the one liter of snot, or mucus, we each produce daily - the engine oil of the body. Vaccines - what for - I never have any. My method is like using a fire hose to put out a fire. It takes 3 minutes to prepare and do with salt and clean water and over the 30 years I and others have been doing it, it has NOT killed or injured ONE PERSON, unlike those synthetic mRNA vaccines, ALSO verified by Alberta Medical University - Canada. Do it - you will be amazed at how quickly it destroys colds and flu in the nasal passages of your head. No infection, no Covid possible. Spread the word to everyone please. Neti pots are like using a garden sprinkler to put out a house fire. your life, your choice!! AND free!!
Taking Vitamin D by mouth goes down into the stomach acids where it is broken down into elements and ejected in the piss and shit, which is why there is a strong vitamin smell
What has that got to do with Spike Proteins which are caused by the synthetic mRNA vaccines injected into your blood - why nothing at all - if you can't inject a counter to the synthetic mRNA vaccines which have passed through you brain blood barrier into the inner workings of your body and into all of your major organs - then taking anything by mouth simply is not going to do anything - how can it?
Oh, I forgot, yes it can - it costs you money to buy snake oil which does nothing
I have read that anyone who regularly takes vitamin D as a dietary supplement also needs to take vitamin K2. This important vitamin is responsible for depositing calcium at the right places in the body - i.e. in the bones and teeth. It also prevents calcification, the accumulation of calcium in places where it is not required - i.e. in the arteries and other soft tissue of the body.
One of the papers you cite seems to say that the group receiving vit D achieved blood levels of about 26, which was much higher than the control group. In the other I did not find blood levels reported. I do not doubt that adequate vitamin D is important in preventing or minimizing Covid. But some studies (and I did not read the entire text of any of them) seem to indicate that levels above about 35 are associated with overall higher mortality.
ultraviolet light, 7-hydrocholesterol in the skin is converted to 25-hydroxy-vitamin D which then moves into the blood stream. There is enough of this D precursor in the skin of young people to produce 25,000 units of vitamin D in 10 to 90 minutes of full body exposure depending on the darkness of skin, with light skin producing quickly and dark skin producing slowly. In middle age people, there is enough precursor to make a max of 15,000 units and in older people enough to make a max of 8,000 units. Once the 7-hydrocholesterol is used up it takes about 24 hours to fully replace the amount that was there before ultraviolet exposure. Hence, we do not naturally get vitamin D toxicity or overdose from what our body produces.
Prior to sunscreens, caucasian lifeguards sitting in sun for 6 hours a day for 4–6 weeks (a full exposure and hence about 25,000 units produced per day) average about 68 ng/mL of 25-hydroxy-vitamin D
I know there is concern about excess vitamin D — but I have never seen it as a clinician. I have seen a few folks who take a lot of calcium develop excess levels of that. It might matter what latitude you live in.
I was taking 4000-6000 IUs per day, without vitamin K2, and had a recent level of 45, so I bumped that to 5000-10,000 and added the K. I live in the Pacific NW where we have short days and not great sun for half the year. I would definitely decrease that in the summer and have been telling my patients to take 5000 IUs with 100 mcgs vitamin K2
I take 7,000 units daily and also K2; I tested above 60 ng/ml
"Loading" dose of D3 - use of vitamin K-2 MK-7 with increased D3 supplementation - Nattokinase
From the study link provided by Joel Hirschhorn, please note: "Furthermore, in the state of New Jersey where this study was conducted, 28% of adults over the age of 20 are obese [28], and obese individuals require 2–3 times the normal dose of vitamin D supplementation for vitamin D deficiency [29]. " (my note: these "2–3 times the normal dose of vitamin D supplementation" may only be needed during the "fat loading" (until the Vitamin D3 fat receptors are filled up which then allow for greater blood levels) stage for "obese" people.)
from the Dr Syed Haider site at https://drsyedhaider.com/covid-care-beyond-ivm-and-hcq/ March 1, 2021. note the use of a 1 time "100,000 IU of vitamin D3 dose to speed up increase of D3 blood levels. (my note: to load up the D3 fat storage depots so daily doses are able to raise D3 level blood levels)
"VITAMIN D (from Dr Haider's site)
Vitamin D, AKA the sunlight hormone, has long been known to boost immunity to viral infections, however much controversy has swirled around vitamin D and COVID-19.
Various studies showed remarkable effects when vitamin D was given early on to patients.
Other studies, seemingly designed to fail (reminds one of the HCQ controversy), used vitamin D far too late for it to be beneficial, especially considering it can take up to 2 weeks to become activated by the body when administered in its inactive form as has been the rule in all vitamin D studies thus far.
In my own practice everyone who comes with severe COVID-19 and is tested for vitamin D turns out to be low. And of those who come with mild disease, most have been on vitamin D for months.
Since it takes so long for vitamin D to be fully activated and available to your body, the time to top up your vitamin D levels is before you get sick and if you have not been taking at least 3000 IUs of vitamin D3 for a couple months you should either get tested and supplement accordingly or immediately take 100,000 IU of vitamin D3 and then start on at least 3000 – 5000 IU per day.
Such a high one time dose is not dangerous, even if you already have normal vitamin D levels and will help ensure that you reach vitamin D sufficiency within 2 weeks.
For patients who are already sick, do not know their vitamin D levels and have not been supplementing for long enough to be sure they are at a normal level an experimental prescription option is the synthetic activated vitamin D analog called calcitriol.
For hospitalized patients this can be given IV, but even when taken orally it is well absorbed and reaches peak blood levels within a few hours. There is one in vitro study showing significant activity against COVID-19, but no one has yet studied it in patients.
and from the comments and question area below
Dr Syed Haider
1 year ago
Reply to What is the appropriate amount of vitamin D in the
Generally speaking levels between 50 – 80 ng/ml are probably ideal. Within that range you can narrow it down further by checking a parathyroid hormone (PTH) level. If the d level is in the normal range, but the PTH level is above 30, it indicates the D level is likely still too low and should be raised. On the other hand if the D level appears borderline low and the PTH is below 30, the D level is probably sufficient.
my note: some science advises to add vitamin K2 MK-7 to help direct the calcium affected by higher D3 levels into the bones vs into the soft tissues ie the lining of the blood vessels. 100 mcg per about 5,000 iu D3 up to 200 mcg of K2 with 10,000 units D3, but not more than 200 mcg K2 per day if, for instance, taking higher doses or large D3 loading dose - do not increase the K2 even more for those doses. ( note: Dr John Campbell (youtube) takes 4,000 units D3 and 100 mcg K2 daily) but read up on K2 and clots in this covid clots and "clot shot" times
Is eating a bit (10 grams?) of natto, somehow. daily , a natural source for K2 and Nattokinase the best way? (Is Nattokinase a must have? for these fibrin times?) from https://www.swansonvitamins.com/blog/articles/will-nattokinase-and-k2-work-against-each-other-if-taken-together.html "One of the major reasons people take Vitamin K-2 for cardiovascular support is because it supports the formation of Osteocalcin, a protein carrier which helps to transfer calcium into the bone. Nattokinase helps breaks down fibrin, which is the webby structure that forms the basis of clots to help support circulation."
Good article Joel. Will be linking it today @https://nothingnewunderthesun2016.com/
as well as a video from Dr. John Campbell on vitamin D.
Without supplementation, in the summer when I am outside all day gardening, my level is never above 30 so I take 5000 units a day. I also had hepatitis C for nearly 50 years - any veteran from the 60’s 70’s should be tested. It was a vaccine injury due to carelessness with the vaccine guns.
Anyone who buys into the mumbo jumbo of the virus and the synthetic mRNA vaccines only have themselves to blame: Millions saved from viruses and bacteria - are you one of those? 30 years never had a virus or bacteria infection = never ill: Mix one heaped teaspoon of salt in a mug of clean warm water - cup a hand and in stages, sniff or snort the mugful up your nose spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If burning sensation, you have a virus and the salt solution is disinfecting it, so wait 2-3 minutes until burning sensation goes away, then blow out your nose on toilet paper and flush away, washing your hands afterwards. Do my free salt water cure morning, noon, night or more often if you want, until it feels like you are flushing with water only - job done. 3 minutes idea to job done - simple. No virus, no Covid or Long Covid in your head possible. You cannot catch Covid, you have to catch a Coronavirus first and let it become Covid in the nasal passages of your head, later transported down into your body in the one liter of snot, or mucus, we each produce daily - the engine oil of the body. Vaccines - what for - I never have any. My method is like using a fire hose to put out a fire. It takes 3 minutes to prepare and do with salt and clean water and over the 30 years I and others have been doing it, it has NOT killed or injured ONE PERSON, unlike those synthetic mRNA vaccines, ALSO verified by Alberta Medical University - Canada. Do it - you will be amazed at how quickly it destroys colds and flu in the nasal passages of your head. No infection, no Covid possible. Spread the word to everyone please. Neti pots are like using a garden sprinkler to put out a house fire. your life, your choice!! AND free!!
Taking Vitamin D by mouth goes down into the stomach acids where it is broken down into elements and ejected in the piss and shit, which is why there is a strong vitamin smell
What has that got to do with Spike Proteins which are caused by the synthetic mRNA vaccines injected into your blood - why nothing at all - if you can't inject a counter to the synthetic mRNA vaccines which have passed through you brain blood barrier into the inner workings of your body and into all of your major organs - then taking anything by mouth simply is not going to do anything - how can it?
Oh, I forgot, yes it can - it costs you money to buy snake oil which does nothing
I have read that anyone who regularly takes vitamin D as a dietary supplement also needs to take vitamin K2. This important vitamin is responsible for depositing calcium at the right places in the body - i.e. in the bones and teeth. It also prevents calcification, the accumulation of calcium in places where it is not required - i.e. in the arteries and other soft tissue of the body.
There is such a thing as too much vitamin D. A summary suggesting blood levels should be around 20-35 ng/ml is (unfortunately behind a paywall) at https://www.consumerlab.com/reviews/vitamin-d-supplements-review/vitamin-d/. Among the dozens of studies cited therein are https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0939475322004422 , and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960076017300808
20-35 is much too low; will not protect against infections
One of the papers you cite seems to say that the group receiving vit D achieved blood levels of about 26, which was much higher than the control group. In the other I did not find blood levels reported. I do not doubt that adequate vitamin D is important in preventing or minimizing Covid. But some studies (and I did not read the entire text of any of them) seem to indicate that levels above about 35 are associated with overall higher mortality.
that comment about above 35 causing higher mortality is absurd nonsense
the body in mid day sun will make up to 20,000iu vit D in an hour or two, every day
these papers are bollox but then more than half of all papers these days are
With respect, I find that figure not likely; even more so with all the actions, like sunscreen products, used to avoid skin cancer
ultraviolet light, 7-hydrocholesterol in the skin is converted to 25-hydroxy-vitamin D which then moves into the blood stream. There is enough of this D precursor in the skin of young people to produce 25,000 units of vitamin D in 10 to 90 minutes of full body exposure depending on the darkness of skin, with light skin producing quickly and dark skin producing slowly. In middle age people, there is enough precursor to make a max of 15,000 units and in older people enough to make a max of 8,000 units. Once the 7-hydrocholesterol is used up it takes about 24 hours to fully replace the amount that was there before ultraviolet exposure. Hence, we do not naturally get vitamin D toxicity or overdose from what our body produces.
Prior to sunscreens, caucasian lifeguards sitting in sun for 6 hours a day for 4–6 weeks (a full exposure and hence about 25,000 units produced per day) average about 68 ng/mL of 25-hydroxy-vitamin D
I know there is concern about excess vitamin D — but I have never seen it as a clinician. I have seen a few folks who take a lot of calcium develop excess levels of that. It might matter what latitude you live in.